i need amp help..[views:8426][posts:77]___________________________________ [Aug 29,2005 11:06pm - powerkok ""] Honestly, it was all me....but Im talkin pure frustration of Italian Jungle caused it. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 29,2005 11:07pm - powerkok ""] anonymous said:ha ha ha the imp[ortant thing is that you like your sound wether its ss or tube can we agree on that? exactly pal....thats why I said I use a POD (ss) and a Mesa (tube)....in the first place, potty neck!! |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 29,2005 11:09pm - anonymous ""] ha ha ha if i was just ripping off old suffocation songs id need a tube amp also !!! |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 29,2005 11:09pm - anonymous ""] OHHHHH! OOHHHHH! |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 29,2005 11:16pm - anonymous ""] anonymous said:ha ha ha if i was just ripping off old suffocation songs id need a tube amp also !!! now now im just kidding i actually like you guys alot |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:11am - ArrowHead nli ""] For the anonymous retard who's touting solid state: you're 100% correct. Solid state amps CAN sound like a tube amp. Especially, like you mentioned, some of the stuff line6 has been putting out. The problem is, solid state does not REACT like tubes, and won't for a long time. I like vanilla, you like chocolate. At the end of the day, it's all about who has the bottle of hot fudge. Dimebag made solid state sound righteous. Kurt Cobain made tubes sound like crap. Solid state amps can definately sound GOOD, just as long as they don't say CRATE or GORILLA on the front. As for Nikanzi's comment, tubes don't hold a charge. Capacitors do. However, you're right that a guitar amp that hasn't had it's capacitors drained can hold a charge (strong enough to knock you unconscious or worse) for over 3 weeks, so if you don't know what you're doing, don't work on your own amps. This goes for solid state amps as well. Anything with an output transformer in it. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:14am - anonymousretard ""] ArrowHead nli said:For the anonymous retard who's touting solid state: you're 100% correct. is that what your extensive experience has led you to believe? |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:19am - ArrowHead nli ""] By extensive experience, you mean is that what I've found after playing guitar for over 15 years, majoring in applied jazz guitars in college, and playing a huge assortment of tube AND solid state amps over the years, including line6 gear for the last 2 years? Yes, that's what I believe. You should: a) Be thankful someone agreed with you b) Learn to sign your name to your posts so people take you seriously. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:27am - anonymousretard ""] i dont want to be taken seriously! but i can tell from your long lists of accomplishments that you do by the way you could go to college for 666 years and still have a shitty ear so you should a.blow me b.stop taking yourself so seriously c.throw out your tube amp d.practice playing guitar instead of coming online with your fancy credentials and blowin smoke up my ass |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:34am - anonymousretard ""] waiting... |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:37am - ArrowHead nli ""] Actually, I went to college 3 freshman years, and dropped out. a) I could never blow a man with no name. b) I never take myself seriously. Most people here know that. c) I just told you I've been using line6 for the last 2 years. I don't OWN a tube amp anymore. See? You're being a retard again. I HATE retarded people, seriously. d) I'm practicing guitar right now, and do so for about 1/2 hour to an hour a night. What the hell does that have to do with anything, by the way? Firstly, I'm a singer. Secondly, as you've posted on my other thread, you should already know that I'm more than ready to admit I'm not as good a guitarist as half the people on here. As for my shitty ear, I'm the only one here so far to agree with you about solid state sounding as good as tube, so you just hurt your own argument by insulting my ears. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:38am - ArrowHead nli ""] Your wait is over. I could do this for hours. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 12:47am - powerkok ""] wow Suffocation huh? that s a first....Im flattered. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 1:12am - anonymous ""] powerkok said:wow Suffocation huh? that s a first....Im flattered. just playing with you. i actually like your band quite a bit |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 1:13am - anonymousretard ""] ArrowHead nli said:Your wait is over. I could do this for hours. i cant believe this thread is still going...more proof people prefer to argue? :cd:>:] |
| __________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 2:00am - brian_dc ""] for anyone who comes to this thread later...this is about amps...not about bickering for bickering, go to...well, go anywhere really....godammit |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 2:02am - anonymousretard ""] brian_dc said:for anyone who comes to this thread later...this is about amps...not about bickering for bickering, go to...well, go anywhere really....godammit actually this thread is about how staggeringly superior solid state amps are compared to tube amps..but yes if you want to argue about that do it someplace else |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 2:05am - ArrowHead nli ""] Solid state is like the new metallica: some people like it, and some people know that it's pretty damned gay. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 2:17am - anonymousretard ""] anonymousretard said:brian_dc said:for anyone who comes to this thread later...this is about amps...not about bickering for bickering, go to...well, go anywhere really....godammit actually this thread is about how staggeringly superior solid state amps are compared to tube amps..but yes if you want to argue about that do it someplace else |
| _____________________________ [Aug 30,2005 8:29am - Eli ""] Basically the more you push a tube amp, the tighter it gets; and the more you push a solid state amp the more broken up it sounds. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 11:14am - niccolai nli ""] Tube amps have more measurable output for less measurable electric current. Bottom line. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 11:20am - largefreakatzero ""] ArrowHead nli said:Solid state is like the new metallica: some people like it, and some people know that it's pretty damned gay. Not a good analogy, since Metallica is gay, solid state amps are not. I've been abusing my Flextone II for about 3 years now and it sounds just as good as the day I bought it. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 30,2005 11:42am - niccolai nli ""] Higher end solid states sound good. Solid states are meant to mimic overloaded vacuum tubes, but digital effects are often week because you can't sound exactly like a overdriven tube with an effect processor, it just doesn't work that way. Solid states are an attempt to make amps for people who can't afford the quality of tube amps and aren't smart enough to service them. Solid states are not made as a 'difference in opinion' It's like epiphone Vs Gibson. If tubes were lighter weight and lower maintenance, most of you would be singing a different tune. The bottom line here is metallica is and always has been gay. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 10:26am - RustedAngel ""] I still think the anonymous guy is a retard. Saying guitar players should use Solid State instead of Tube Amps is like saying drummers should use Electronic Drums instead of real Drums. |
| _________________________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 10:30am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] to be frank, if I was going to say retarded shit supporting solid state I'd stay anonymous too. I've used some great SS gear but it's not even close to the warm tones you can get from Tube. Even the brights are warm instead of harsh. |
| _________________________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 10:31am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the only SS shit is like that early stuff where they were making it sound more like tubes and really just overall mid-range. That fucking awful shit that Crate and buddies were making in the 90s is so terrible sometimes. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 5:11pm - anonymous ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:the only SS shit is like that early stuff where they were making it sound more like tubes and really just overall mid-range. That fucking awful shit that Crate and buddies were making in the 90s is so terrible sometimes. you are a fucking moron to put down crate. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 5:20pm - ArrowHead nli ""] HAHAHA! I played a crate amp for the first 5 years I played guitar. I loved it, but man was the tone horrible. Ironically, my best friend had a rig where he had cut the pre-amp section out of his 50 or 60 watt crate combo, and rack mounted it into a stereo rig. He had some of the sickest tones I'd ever heard, even though it was the same exact pre-amp I had. There's been a few solid state amps I've used that sound great, and for those that always say it's not as "warm" and such, I disagree. The sounds of a solid state amp can be IDENTICAL to those of a tube amp with 2 exceptions. I think a lot of the newer POD stuff, like the livext shows that. The two exceptions: 1)Heat. As a tube amp is turned on, the tubes begin getting hotter. They gradually change in temperature as it warms up, and the tone is effected. Therefore, the amp you start playing on isn't the same sound as when you're done. SS amps are constant and consistent, therefore the sound doesn't tend to shift and breathe as much 2)Response. Tube amps respond to velocity and attack very differently. A solid state is very even. There's some attempts at being velocity sensitive with solid state stuff, but even the best line6 stuff doesn't handle dynamic playing well with distortion. Clean they do well, but with a high gain distortion there's absolutely no dynamic response. |